Slow versus Fast

by **vagabond** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 15:43

You who have trained in both the theory and the practical know weak can beat strong, slow can beat fast, or do you? Let us now discuss only the slow versus fast. What do you think? Can a slow person beat a faster opponent? If yes, how?

by **yilon** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 15:57

vagabond wrote:You who have trained in both the theory and the practical know weak can beat strong, slow can beat fast, or do you? Let us now discuss only the slow versus fast. What do you think? Can a slow person beat a faster opponent? If yes, how?

If the stronger opponent is VERY MUCH stronger than the quick opponent, it may be that the strong opponent can trap the quicker opponent while possible absorbing punishment, then use the strength advantage to win. Some years ago I watched Davila fight Lupe Pintor. Davila was much the better fighter, but he could not punch hard enough to keep Pintor off of him. Pintor absorbed the punishment and wore Davila down on the late rounds.

If a stronger fighter has impeccable form and reach advantage over a quiker opponent, it is possible to use strength advantage to deal enough punishment to wear down the quick guy.

However, speed kills!

JMHO.

by **Spec_warrior** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 16:19

speed kills!

I agree, speed kills, power frills.

by **Groat** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:00

Positioning is very important.

Good positioning can easily give you advantage over physically faster opponent.

by **vagabond** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:06

Let just say two fighters are equal in strength but one is slower and one is quicker. Can the slow beat the quick?

by **indestructible** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:17

Speed + Skill = Winner

by **vagabond** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:17

To clarify myself, let's imagine two runners, one slow, one fast. The faster runner has to run a longer distance than the slower runner. So now the outcome depends on distance also, doesn't it? If you want to beat your opponent to a target, why not make that target a lot closer to you than your opponent. two people playing different games. One play the speed game, the other the distance/positioning game. If you can make your opponent play your game, than you have the advantage.

by **I-ti** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:22

sure can, if the slower fighter has practiced proper moving principles. move from center outwards. i can't think of how to explain it right now. very small shifting of the body. small movements take less time.

by **Spec_warrior** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:29

Of course positioning has an impact but i thought the question was slow versus fast. Don't forget that a slower fighter can compensate by having greater timing or a greater sens of cadence.

" Lead with speed devour with power "

by **indestructible** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 17:57

I-ti said it everyone. Moving principles. Most people, statisticly speaking are all roughly about the same speed. We all have about the same physical limits. Strength training can improve speed but that by itself is not always enough. No wasted motion is the key to being really fast. Why wind up a punch? It makes it stronger, right? Not really. I can hit just as hard punching from my hip with no wind up. No wind up, no wasted motion. No wasted motion means you hit first. It doesn't mean I'm faster moving than someone else, it means I'm moving correctly.

by **Spec_warrior** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 18:44

indestructible wrote:I-ti said it everyone. Moving principles. Most people, statisticly speaking are all roughly about the same speed. We all have about the same physical limits. Strength training can improve speed but that by itself is not always enough. No wasted motion is the key to being really fast. Why wind up a punch? It makes it stronger, right? Not really. I can hit just as hard punching from my hip with no wind up. No wind up, no wasted motion. No wasted motion means you hit first. It doesn't mean I'm faster moving than someone else, it means I'm moving correctly.

once again not on topic... everyone know what u just posted, well at least from my part.

by **vagabond** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 18:56

What I am saying is that if you can't beat your opponent at his speed game, make him/her play your game. Keep your distance and make your opponent come to you. Make it so that your opponent have to cover more surface or more distance to get to you. Make your opponent walk the outer circle.

by **yilon** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 19:45

There are two rather different things being discussed here, frequently with little or no differentiation: 1) movement speed 2) punch/kick speed.

It is possible to fight an opponent who moves faster than you do but has slower punches/kicks. In that case, you need to worry a great deal about positioning.

It is possible to fight an opponent who moves slower than you do, but has faster punch/kick speed. In that case, you control positioning but you have to worry about a hand/foot upside your head!

JMHO.

by **I-ti** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 20:01

either way, having a developed awareness will help you combat people who can move faster and have a faster punch.

by **Ben Thompson** on Mon Sep 29, 2003 21:20

vagabond wrote:You who have trained in both the theory and the practical know weak can beat strong, slow can beat fast, or do you? Let us now discuss only the slow versus fast. What do you think? Can a slow person beat a faster opponent? If yes, how?

Yes, with perfect timing.

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