Shuai Chiao

[street fighter]

Does it have strikes as well groundwork? What are the strikes like (similar to any other arts?)? Is it a good substitute for judo for uping ground game? Is it true that it spawned jiujitsu? Is it more focused on grappling or throws? Any chin na type stuff in the system? Is there a ranking system?

Thank you.

[Ten]

"Any Chin na type stuff in this system?"

Yes.

Dan,

Qinna is pretty much universal for any system.

[Jeffrey Quinn]

摔交 shuai jiao is a pretty generic term （like qin na）. It pretty much translates as “wrestling” （it literally means “tripping and falling”）， and can mean any type of wrestling found anywhere in the world.

The organized Mongolian and Chinese wrestling leagues in China both go by the name Shuai Jiao. Each has a specific set of rules. You might have better luck searching under “Chinese wrestling” and “Mongolian wrestling” than under “shuai jiao”.

If you are looking for the 2000-year-old form of Chinese wrestling， try looking under 角力 “jiao li” which is what the sport was known as in ancient times. This is a different jiao meaning horn， and li means strength. According to Stanley Henning， this was one of the official military sports in the Han dynasties. I've also seen it written as “jiao di”, although I'm not sure which meaning of di is used.

Unfortunately， I can’t be any more specific. I hope this helps.

Jeff

[street fighter]

Thank you very much. As usual Jeff, your full of useful information. I only hope that someday I can enjoy the same wealth of knowledge that you do. Your thorough understanding of asian arts and languages is truly astounding. You are so young, yet so skillfull. Having travelled in China you really have a leg up on the pile here. Your form is topped only by your handsome looks, and boyish charm. If I was gay I would ba-... ... sorry. I am developing a bad habit of getting carried away. Anyway, uh. thanks, and uh... keep up the good work.

[lost-tiger]

If you go onto the forums of emptyflower.com there are a number of Shuai Chiao practitioners there that post, particularly 'John Wang'. As far as I know there are strikes, but not much in the way of groundfighting, instead more points are given for a clean throw, I think. Traditionaly I've heard that the Manchus were regarded as being quite expert at Shuai Chiao

[Hanan]

In the Journal of Asian Martial Arts Volume 15, No. 1 (2006, Via Media Publishing, Erie Pennsylvania USA ISSN 1057-8358) there is an interesting article on Shuai Chiao. There is also an article on my primary T'ai Chi teacher, the late Wu Ta-hsin (Wu Daxin, 吳大新, 1933-2005). The Wu family were Manchu military, and their family style before Yang Lu-ch'an was assigned to teach them was Shuai Chiao. To this day the Wu style contains many throws, footsweeps, joint locks and a lot of groundfighting that the other T'ai Chi styles don't train as much. Chen style should have some Chinese Shuai Chiao though, especially the Zhaobao style.

There are strikes in Manchu Shuai Chiao, but there is also an expression: "Why should I hit someone with my fist when I can hit them with a wall or the floor?" Some fighters who are well conditioned for falling are hard to stop with a punch or a kick. Usually if they can tolerate hitting the floor repeatedly you will have to hit them with a weapon, if you want to stop them, unless your internal power generation is advanced. There are few practitioners left in the world who have that much kung fu, unfortunately. So strikes are usually finishers or strikes of opportunity to vulnerable targets.

[is_tigern]

Shuai Chiao does not use groundwork, but the use of stand up wrestling, elbows, knees and heads. Also low kicks.

[MeticulousOne]

Shuai Chiao does not use groundwork, but the use of stand up wrestling, elbows, knees and heads. Also low kicks.

No groundfighting, eh?

What sorts of strikes and kicks are used in Shuai Chiao?

[is_tigern]

[quote="MeticulousOne";p="139266"][quote="is_tigern";p="139263"]Shuai Chiao does not use groundwork, but the use of stand up wrestling, elbows, knees and heads. Also low kicks.[/quote]

No groundfighting, eh?


No groundfighing.

What sorts of strikes and kicks are used in Shuai Chiao?[/quote]

It uses elbowstrikes, headbutts, kneestrikes and legtrapping and sweeping.

Just all kinds of lowkicks.

[MeticulousOne]

Sweeping as in sweep kicks or a different kind of sweeping attack?

Does it use moves like punches and palm strikes?

Are the only kicks used in Shuai Chiao low kicks or are there also high and mid level kicks?

[is_tigern]

[quote="MeticulousOne";p="139268"]Sweeping as in sweep kicks or a different kind of sweeping attack?

Does it use moves like punches and palm strikes?

Are the only kicks used in Shuai Chiao low kicks or are there also high and mid level kicks?[/quote]

It does not use the fists and palms, but you may crosstrain with wing chun or muay thai or whatever you wish. There is no highkícks, this i a wrestlingsystem.

It is almost like pangamut and dumog, but does not use the groundfighing, beacause if you done right, you do not need to follow after.

You may incorporate BJJ or something like that. But beware of the gurads in BJJ, the wont work in a real fight;)

[MeticulousOne]

I thought BJJ was said to be really, really effective in real combat.

What are Pangamut and Dumog like?

About the low kicks in Shuai Chiao, are we talking about low roundhouse kicks, low side kicks, low stomp kicks?

Also, what about the sweeps in Shuai Chiao? Do you mean sweep kicks or something else?

What is your Shuai Chiao experience, btw?

[Jeffrey Quinn]

Shuai jiao really looks a lot like judo, except that it stops once one person gets to the ground or goes outside the ring. Points are scored, and you go again.

[is_tigern]

[quote="MeticulousOne";p="139272"]I thought BJJ was said to be really, really effective in real combat.

I do not use it. But some people would like to.

What are Pangamut and Dumog like?

Filipino wrestlign :D

About the low kicks in Shuai Chiao, are we talking about low roundhouse kicks, low side kicks, low stomp kicks?

Yes, but also kick to the groin, but not in the tournaments ofcourse.

Also, what about the sweeps in Shuai Chiao? Do you mean sweep kicks or something else?

Sweepkicks, and pressing your knee/shin to the opponent to make them fall.
What is your Shuai Chiao experience, btw?[/quote]

[Teazer]

It is almost like pangamut and dumog, but does not use the groundfighing, because if you done right, you do not need to follow after.

and once on the ground you get the knife out and start stabbing