Strike-across-space palm

[AcidFaucet]

Does anyone know anything about the strike-across-space palm or the shaolin marvelous fist?

I have already been doing the One Finger Zen for about a year now, and would like to complement it with these two.

Haven't found anything on them.

[snakefightscrane]

wow, congratulations, the last guy capable of one finger zen died in the late 80's

u must b something special

[AcidFaucet]

one finger zen is still practiced today, grant it, the man you speak of probably was the godly sort of case, with extremely noticeable effects. To be honest I can't think of ever having heard of one finger zen being used for what it is in the modern world.

The big problem with the one finger zen is also the amount of variations in its practice. To some it's a chi movement exercise and to others it's a chi extension exercise and so on.

It is also practiced as I chi kung set today. Grant it is chi kung, but calling chi kung and looking at what chi kung has become today, isn't very fitting.

[Sun_Tzu]

What is one finger zen?

[BigLew]

Funny how it could be a qigong practice considering Zen is a Japanese term.

I've heard of the great bell finger(or something to that effect) I don't know if this the same thing you all are talking about, but it's hocus pocus Chinese martial arts folk legend B.S.. Legend claimed an expert of this gong could hit someone from affar without touching them and just pointing thier finger, ever see the movie "Remo Williams"?

Legend goes they learned this skill by hitting a giant bell with an index finger digit strike. Every day they hit it and eventually they could make the bell ring and as time progressed they could make the bell ring as if someone struck it with a large heavy object with just a single finger strike. After they were able to do this with little effort they would gradually decrease the hardness of thier strike but still ring the bell very loudly and as time progressed they could ring the bell strongly with barely a touch. Then they start to move away from the bell and eventually they could make the bell ring without touching it etc....Yada yada, you get the point. Anyone who believes they can actually attain this ability, I got a bridge to sell ya.

[Teazer]

Anyone who believes they can actually attain this ability, I got a bridge to sell ya.

But just think how much money they could make in Reno on the Roulette tables

[AcidFaucet]

Funny how Mahayana Buddhism is rich with the use of the word zen.
And Mahayana Buddhism is the practice of shaolin and most chinese buddhist temples. The only difference is at shaolin a couple of "rules" or "laws" were modified or removed to make it possible for shaolin to have and train warrior monks. Not to mention so they didn't have to eat a buddhist diet, and pass-out mid practice and 7pm.

[Tengri]

Does anyone know anything about the strike-across-space palm or the shaolin marvelous fist?

I have already been doing the One Finger Zen for about a year now, and would like to complement it with these two.

Haven't found anything on them.

Look into formal sets of YIZHICHAN qigong. The main stance is talked about in Paul dongs book Empty force. But its so simple as to not require a book about it. Its one of the only standing postures where you close your eyes.

The formal program of the KONGJING qigong also has similar postures but different emphasis than the YIZHICHAN qigong. All these exercises in some way are in shaolin, qigong sets, ect.

The method in paul dongs book allowed me to put the candle out in only 2 months. Nothing to write home to mom about. Dont trust all you read of the storys on the one finger. They are often misinterpreted or taken out of sequence. The "bell gong" for instance you dont hit the metal plate or bell with your finger. You push it back and forth. The older books show a big hammer being used to train.

The metal (iron or steel) strengthens the qi and tonifys the lung and settles the spirit. The yizhichan is considered stronger than the cinnibar palm for instance because it has a longer range. And also, metal energy aids in the extention of the wood energy in the body. So if you had red palm qigong type skills. They would be aided and strengthened by issuing from the shooting finger, which is different than the "healing" finger.

The wong kiew kit books talk about the shooting finger. Which is okay but its not the only way to do it. The basic training is the use of the one finger hand and the tiger claw goes along because it stretches the lung channel and the heart.

The finger bending qigong taught in the yizhichan qigong and the shaolin nei jin qigong is superior to the one finger pushing EXERCISES you see in hung gar ect. Because it develops the energy in a slower buildup, like what qi healers do. Explosiveness is something you develop later, but you also must consider that your expending energy shooting it out your finger. Extending and focusing it like a laser if you will, in theory. I just found out that qi is considered mist like and shen is COHERENT light. So if you use metal (air) to extend wood (which generates spirit) you have something potentially powerful there.

Think of it like driving the iron palm through one finger. The pushing movements you see are usually just done off of existing merdian qigong movements. Which aids the metal element of the index finger in moving enegy through those corresponding channels. Plus, ideally, the lung can feed all the main meridians of the body. Ideally that is.

Unfortunatly your talking about a lot of ifs and buts and ideals. There is an esoteric side too. For example: Development of the celestial eye (eye training is almost obligatory in any finger art, if you dont know why, you arent ready yet). On the realistic side. It can help improve your regular vision, strengthen the optic nerve and the nerves. Enhance cognitive abilitys and thus memory retentions, as the skin of the brain (cortex) is a skin and governed by the metal element.

I saw a science show where they are using ice water to soak a persons arm for 3 minutes while they watch EMOTIONALLY STIMULATING imagry on a video to enhance post-study memory retentions. If you dont find that interesting, well, then your just plain stupid. -

And since the index finger is the large intestine, the yin metal element, you could see some iron body type effects manifest. Check out the hard qigong demonstrations by Sun da fa for example. He has students banging heads against walls and such. And they mainly focus on doing the standardized sets taught in the schools. The golden bell and iron shirt effects combined are simply "side effect".

Then again they train much different over there.

[Tengri]

What is one finger zen?

Its an idea and a thing. In zen its an idea. The significance of raising or pointing a finger became important to some people. It was found that pointing or lifing your index finger during acts like lifting, throwing, twisting, talking could have various effects. So people saw monks pointing their fingers and figured it had something to do with spirituality. Even some myths started that said the training would make you unable to bend your index finger. It matters what YOU feel the zen of one finger is. A sick joke that students of zen are victims up (rap on head with stick)? A politial statement? Or....

[dav]

wow....one-finger zen still exist and being practised in SHAOLIN WAHNAM school